trinities 400 Debate – Tuggy vs. Bird – The New Testament Jesus is Not Divine – Part 2
Michael Bird
82.56
24 May 2026
8 June 2026
Video version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJKFqF7lYKY&t=2s
In this second episode you’ll hear the second half of the debate: rebuttals, open discussion time, audience questions and answers, and closing statements.
Subjects discussed include:
traditional, Chalcedonian views about Christ’s two natures and whether these imply one too many persons
the worship of Jesus
which claims are essential to the gospel
whether an immortal being can die
the meaning of theos (god or God) as applied to Jesus in a few New Testament passages
whether it is coherent to suppose anyone is both human and divine
John 8:58
Jesus’s faith in God
whether a Protestant should trust the “ecumenical” councils
practical and spiritual consequences of viewing Jesus as God’s human Messiah vs. as a Godman
Some of the arguments for Jesus’s full deity deployed by Dr. Bird here are addressed in my UCA Conference presentation in Sydney, about a week after this Melbourne debate.
And many of the topics are also covered in my newly released book Monotheism, Heresy, and the Bible (UK)–such as the meanings of theos in the New Testament (ch. 1).
Links for this episode @ https://trinities.org/blog/podcast-400-debate-tuggy-vs-bird-the-new-testament-jesus-is-not-divine-part-2/
Tuggy, Monotheism, Heresy, and the Bible
Dr. Michael Bird’s YouTube channel
Dr. Bird’s blog, Substack
Exposing The Council of Nicaea with Dr. Dale Tuggy (UCA UK Conference 2025)
Dale Tuggy – What John 1 Meant (UCA Conference 2021)
Dale Tuggy and James White debate: “Is Jesus YHWH?”
Dale Tuggy vs James White | John 1 Is Not Trinitarian
podcast 291 – From one God to two gods to three “Gods” – John 1 and early Christian theologies
Bock and Loke on Jesus’s “blasphemy” in Mark 14 – Part 2
a reading of Philippians 2:5-11
podcast 227 – Who Should Christians Worship?
A letter from the Lord Jesus: About God and Me (Revised)
Hurtado on the early worship of Jesus
Larry Hurtado on early Christians’ worship of Jesus
podcast 333 – The Arguments of “God’s Death”
Kermit Zarley on “My Lord and my God.”
Tuggy, “Craig’s Contradictory Christ,” TheoLogica, 2023
podcast 343 – Craig’s Contradictory Christ – Part 1
podcast 344 – Craig’s Contradictory Christ – Part 2
Jesus’s argument in John 10
podcast 143 – Dr. Timothy Pawl’s In Defense of Conciliar Christology – Part 1
podcast 144 – Dr. Timothy Pawl’s In Defense of Conciliar Christology – Part 2
podcast 63 – Thomas Belsham and other scholars on John 8:58
podcast 235 – The Case Against Preexistence
Romans 9:5 @ biblicalunitarian.com
podcast 146 – Jesus as an Exemplar of Faith in the New Testament
Will Barlow – The “Throne Room Problem” – Responding to Trinitarian Claims about John 12:41
Scott Williams, “Discovery of the Sixth Ecumenical Council’s Trinitarian Theology: Historical, Ecclesial, and Theological Implications”
podcast 334 – “Who do you say I am?”
podcast 11 – Tertullian the unitarian
Thomas Gaston – Dynamic Monarchianism: The Earliest Christology (book)
This week’s thinking music is “Ship of Theseus (Instrumental)” by Lemon Knife. https://freemusicarchive.org/music/lemon-knife/event-horizon-1/ship-of-theseus-instrumental/
