Origen on Praying to Saints: FINAL Response to Joe Heschmeyer

In this video I respond to Joe Heschmeyer on whether Origen affirmed praying to the saints.

See Jeremy Treat's excellent book on the atonement: https://www.amazon.com/Atonement-Introduction-Studies-Systematic-Theology/dp/1433575698

See My Apologies' comments on the debate: https://youtu.be/vhMzTgkPTyE?si=UwiM4NqS7OxgxvFr

My initial video on praying to the saints: https://youtu.be/TQRQ-bbmVvI?si=5zQcC4PxFp0ZU_ks
Joe's first rebuttal: https://youtu.be/BA5rOsIhotM?si=H2lStnVDyLOTECL6
Joe's second rebuttal: https://youtu.be/OEreH7eKUqc?si=1H6OWrji54ii3yEG
My Response to Joe: https://youtu.be/7TxB6_IPmYE?si=voL2yuns9ltm8rf8
Joe's Rejoinder: https://youtu.be/hyHP4zpAxdU?si=lNRoHx091cYLNjk4

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00:00 Introduction
01:19 Framing the Disagreement
04:52 (1) Prayers FOR US vs Prayers TO THEM
13:09 (2) The Four Kinds of Prayer
31:32 (3) Earthly vs. Heavenly Communication
36:14 Concerns of Misrepresentation