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Atheist and Christian Dialogue on Divine Hiddenness (Justin Schieber and Gavin Ortlund)

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Gavin Ortlund


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84.13


Uploaded to YouTube

29 November 2023

Added to Database

25 November 2025


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In this video Gavin Ortlund and Justin Schieber of @RealAtheology discuss the problem of divine hiddenness.

Gavin's first video: https://youtu.be/_d-6UhOS0FE?si=udp6g05pmWYJl_Nd
Justin's response: https://youtu.be/jNkCCeij1As?si=8WkC0mSSuYvpzcgb
Justin's book: https://www.amazon.com/Atheist-Christian-Walk-into-Bar/dp/1633882438

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00:00 Coming Up
01:05 Introductions
03:08 Productive vs. Performative Dialogue
04:00 Backstory to This Video
05:01 Overview of Divine Hiddenness Argument
07:51 A Syllogism of the Argument
10:33 Defining "Personal Relationship"
12:04 Defining "Finite Person"
13:17 Defining "Openness"
17:37 Defining "Always"
20:26 Defining "Nonresistant Nonbelief"
22:21 Working Through the Main Disagreements
1:11:17 A Note About Nonresistant Nonbelief
1:17:27 Reflections on Christian-Atheist Dialogue
1:22:08 Wrapping Up