Q&A: Does Genesis 10 & 11 Support Nationalism?
Dru Johnson
8.45
20 June 2025
12 November 2025
In this episode, political philosopher Yoram Hazony joins Dru Johnson to unpack the political vision embedded in Genesis 10 and 11. Hazony argues that Hebrew Scripture, from Genesis through the prophets, presents a world structured not around cities or empires but around families, tribes, and nations. This framework, he explains, contrasts with the Greek ideal of city-states or the Roman dream of a universal empire.
Focusing on the story of Babel, Hazony identifies a key human impulse the Bible critiques: the desire to “make a name for ourselves” by uniting all people under a single language, ruler, and ideology. Whether we read the division of nations as natural from creation or as God’s response to Babel’s overreach, Hazony asserts that the text clearly upholds diversity and warns against the dangers of enforced human uniformity.
The conversation challenges modern readers—especially those from liberal democracies—to move beyond romanticized views of kings and tribes. Instead, Hazony urges us to see the political structures in Genesis as serious, God-ordained alternatives to empire. This episode invites listeners to consider how biblical political philosophy might inform our views of nationalism, globalism, and the value of cultural and political plurality today.
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:03 Biblical Foundations of National Identity
02:46 The Tower of Babel and Nationalism
