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What does a clash between a Catholic Vice President and the Pope reveal about authority, war, and theological responsibility? 

In this episode of Identity/Crisis, Yehuda Kurtzer sits down with renowned Princeton University Professor Robert George to unpack what's happening at the intersection of Catholic faith and American political power. From six Catholic Supreme Court justices to the growing appeal of traditional religion among young people, from the proper limits of papal authority to the alarming rise of antisemitism in traditionalist Catholic circles, this conversation spans two millennia of church-state entanglement to illuminate this American moment.

Chapters:
[00:00] Introduction: The Church and the Empire — Host Yehuda Kurtzer sets the stage by exploring the historical and theological tensions between Christian spiritual authority and temporal imperial power, connecting it to modern American politics.

[05:18] Introducing Professor Robert George — Introduction of the guest, Robert George, McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence at Princeton University.

[06:00] Temporal Power vs. Spiritual Authority — Professor George shares his perspective on the historical evolution of papal power and how the absence of temporal military power often strengthens a religious leader's moral authority.

[08:32] Catholic Integralism & Papal History — A look into the theological justifications for the historical integration of church and state, and the modern movement known as Catholic Integralism.

[10:15] The Catholic Vote and the Supreme Court — Discussion on the shift of Catholic prominence in American government, how the Catholic electorate functions as a swing vote, and the role of the ecclesiastical hierarchy on political issues.

[14:46] JD Vance’s Conversion & The Jewish Roots of Mass — Professor George reflects on a deep, non-political existential conversation he had with JD Vance prior to his conversion to Catholicism. He also notes the profound Jewish origins found within the Catholic Mass liturgy.

[18:05] The Modern Search for Meaning and Transcendence — An examination of why younger generations across faiths (including Catholic and Orthodox Jewish movements like Chabad) are gravitating toward traditionalist religious expressions.

[21:17] Dangers of Traditionalism & Modern Anti-Semitism — Addressing the darker side of some ultra-traditionalist circles, including the revival of anti-Semitic rhetoric among certain cohorts and the pushback from US Catholic bishops.

[26:00] Analyzing JD Vance's Clash with the Pope — A breakdown of the public dispute between Vice President JD Vance and the Pope over foreign policy, looking at both a charitable and uncharitable reading of the remarks.

[29:05] When Bishops Should Speak Authoritatively — Professor George recalls a speech he gave to the US Conference of Catholic Bishops detailing when church leadership holds special spiritual authority versus when they are speaking on empirical matters outside their scope.

[31:53] Primacy of Conscience & Applying Moral Principles — A deep dive into Catholic doctrine regarding the "primacy of conscience" and the challenges of applying absolute moral truths to complex political realities like warfare and civilian casualties.

[40:14] Shifting Postures on Israel and Anti-Semitism on the Right — An analysis of changing political currents on the conservative right, specifically regarding fading cultural memories of the Holocaust and shifting parameters of US support for Israel.

[46:52] Robert George as a Cheerful Dissident — Professor George explains why he remains consistent in defending the foundational principle of Imago Dei—the inherent and equal dignity of every human being—regardless of whether it puts him out of step with the progressive left or the populist right.

[49:57] Outro and Credits — Wrap-up and podcast production credits.